Dale channels some youth pastor vibes and lends some serious consideration to goat farming in this conversation with writer and comedian Sara Schaefer. Sara talks about the process of writing her recent memoir Grand, which beautifully captures her attempts to find peace and purpose following a devastating loss. Dale asks about Sara’s life in Los Angeles, her relationship to structure, and what it’s like to release a book in the middle of a global pandemic. Plus Sara gives some thoughts on why the Babadook is the perfect movie about grief and Dale once again waxes nostalgic for his teenage years spent largely in his own psychic Grand Canyon, the local mall.